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just to share, as I was ignorant of this thing for a long time myself. I noticed that there are many experienced riders here, but also beginners, so I want to share about counter-steering. I know many experienced riders, who are more skilful that me, but they have no idea how they actually turn the bike in the corners. So I asked them a simple question - how do you turn the bike when cornering? And almost 98% of them could not answer this question!

What is counter-steering? you turn the bike in a opposite manner than a car. In a car, when you want to turn left you turn the wheel to the left. If you do that on the bike, you crash. another strategy to turn the bike is to lean, but it is very ineffective. so the paradox of turning the bike on the corners is that you push the handlebars in the opposite direction to where you want to turn, which causes the bike to break its natural tendency to go straight (gyroscopic force). In other words, you are cheating the bike by giving it a sense that you want to turn to the other direction, and the bike resists and leans actually into the direction that you want to turn. Knowing the principle of counter-steerings will transform completely your ability to go fast through the corners. there are many youtube videos on the subject. counter-steering saved my life several times.

I am not sure if I expressed myself clearly. if you want to turn left, you push the left side of the handlebar away from you, and this causes the bike to lean left and take the corner effortlessly. however, that principle only applies to bike in motion, above 20km/h. on the parking lot, you turn the bike like a car. you want to turn left you pull (not push) the bar left.
 

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This is worth a watch to understand motorcycle dynamics. It contains foundation skills for any rider and yes, it has a section on countersteering. Twist of the Wrist is a good starting point. This was first published back in 1983 and it is still true today. He made a VHS on it in the 90s. I remember being a new rider and trying to wrap my head around cornering. I know a lot of people who has practiced the stuff in this book/video. They are all still alive and still ride and enjoy it


just to share, as I was ignorant of this thing for a long time myself. I noticed that there are many experienced riders here, but also beginners, so I want to share about counter-steering. I know many experienced riders, who are more skilful that me, but they have no idea how they actually turn the bike in the corners. So I asked them a simple question - how do you turn the bike when cornering? And almost 98% of them could not answer this question!

What is counter-steering? you turn the bike in a opposite manner than a car. In a car, when you want to turn left you turn the wheel to the left. If you do that on the bike, you crash. another strategy to turn the bike is to lean, but it is very ineffective. so the paradox of turning the bike on the corners is that you push the handlebars in the opposite direction to where you want to turn, which causes the bike to break its natural tendency to go straight (gyroscopic force). In other words, you are cheating the bike by giving it a sense that you want to turn to the other direction, and the bike resists and leans actually into the direction that you want to turn. Knowing the principle of counter-steerings will transform completely your ability to go fast through the corners. there are many youtube videos on the subject. counter-steering saved my life several times.

I am not sure if I expressed myself clearly. if you want to turn left, you push the left side of the handlebar away from you, and this causes the bike to lean left and take the corner effortlessly. however, that principle only applies to bike in motion, above 20km/h. on the parking lot, you turn the bike like a car. you want to turn left you pull (not push) the bar left.
 

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just to share, as I was ignorant of this thing for a long time myself. I noticed that there are many experienced riders here, but also beginners, so I want to share about counter-steering. I know many experienced riders, who are more skilful that me, but they have no idea how they actually turn the bike in the corners. So I asked them a simple question - how do you turn the bike when cornering? And almost 98% of them could not answer this question!

What is counter-steering? you turn the bike in a opposite manner than a car. In a car, when you want to turn left you turn the wheel to the left. If you do that on the bike, you crash. another strategy to turn the bike is to lean, but it is very ineffective. so the paradox of turning the bike on the corners is that you push the handlebars in the opposite direction to where you want to turn, which causes the bike to break its natural tendency to go straight (gyroscopic force). In other words, you are cheating the bike by giving it a sense that you want to turn to the other direction, and the bike resists and leans actually into the direction that you want to turn. Knowing the principle of counter-steerings will transform completely your ability to go fast through the corners. there are many youtube videos on the subject. counter-steering saved my life several times.

I am not sure if I expressed myself clearly. if you want to turn left, you push the left side of the handlebar away from you, and this causes the bike to lean left and take the corner effortlessly. however, that principle only applies to bike in motion, above 20km/h. on the parking lot, you turn the bike like a car. you want to turn left you pull (not push) the bar left.
yes, know that video. he is clever. mostly into racing though. here is a tragic accident when rider fail to counter-steer
 

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A super simplified way of explaining it is that you push 'down' on the side of the bike that you want to go down (i.e. lean into the turn) and instead of pushing straight down, you push mostly forward.
 

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A super simplified way of explaining it is that you push 'down' on the side of the bike that you want to go down (i.e. lean into the turn) and instead of pushing straight down, you push mostly forward.
it is not simplified. there is indeed another school that speak of pressing the handlebar down, but the result is the same, because you are still pushing forward, just from top. some even suggest to push the opposite side you want to turn to, while pulling the other side. I personally was not so successful in this: too much multitasking for my brain. pushing away the side of the bar you want to turn to is just more easy. also pressing down is more relevant to sport bikes where the handlebars are much lower. pressing down the bar in gs does not feel natural to me, especially with all the risers I fitted. but each person is different. still the basic principle here is what counts.
 

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"Counter-steering" is a skill we should all try to understand.
Then practice and repeatly test and try it out. (its fun)
1. it will make your cornering much more enjoyable / predicable.
2. it could save you from a 'bad' riding experience ..
 

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What was said about steering, it's all right!
But!!!
If you start thinking, in an emergency situation
or simply while driving in a turn or a curve
what whay to steer or push the handlebar
you will crash?
 

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Inexperienced riders need to practice counter steering until it becomes muscle memory. As you gain experience it will be come automatic.
 

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What was said about steering, it's all right!
But!!!
If you start thinking, in an emergency situation
or simply while driving in a turn or a curve
what whay to steer or push the handlebar
you will crash?
Sorry, wrong spelt:


"way to steer"
 

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Also remember to look round the corner, you go where you look, in that video of the guy that hit the truck, once he saw it, his line of sight was locked on that truck....we know what happened next...
 
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Not trying to sound all that, but is it really that hard a concept for people?

Doesn't everyone do it instinctively as it's pretty much the only way you can take a corner at any speed above what a push bike can do?

As what Lost In Space said, target fixation is probably a bigger point of concern for riders than something they probably do without thinking mostly.
 

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coutersteering is done instinctively, because there is not other way to turn, but it is commonly initiated by leaning the bike, so as by product we push the handlebar in the right direction without even knowing it. but it is very ineffective. if one does it consciously and knowing what one is doing, one can master cornering, instead of just about making it.
 

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Counter steering

coutersteering is done instinctively, because there is not other way to turn, but it is commonly initiated by leaning the bike, so as by product we push the handlebar in the right direction without even knowing it. but it is very ineffective. if one does it consciously and knowing what one is doing, one can master cornering, instead of just about making it.
Counter steering or "Push Steering" is so much more than just a byproduct of "Leaning" into a turn. In my rider safety training program we had to do collision avoidance demonstration at about 40 KPH by vigorously pushing on the handlebar and even pulling on the other one. The bike will instantly snap over into a lean and the steering will then turn towards the new direction all by itself due to the rake angle of the steering axis.

Push Left - Go Left
Push Right - Go right

I practice this all the time by doing it to avoid potholes or simply maneuver around markings on the pavement at all sorts of speeds. I make a practice of doing it as part of my departure so it refreshes my muscle memory before I even leave the side streets and hit the highway.
 

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Counter steering or "Push Steering" is so much more than just a byproduct of "Leaning" into a turn. In my rider safety training program we had to do collision avoidance demonstration at about 40 KPH by vigorously pushing on the handlebar and even pulling on the other one. The bike will instantly snap over into a lean and the steering will then turn towards the new direction all by itself due to the rake angle of the steering axis.

Push Left - Go Left
Push Right - Go right

I practice this all the time by doing it to avoid potholes or simply maneuver around markings on the pavement at all sorts of speeds. I make a practice of doing it as part of my departure so it refreshes my muscle memory before I even leave the side streets and hit the highway.
yes, correct. what surprises me is most riders have zero knowledge of it.
 

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Well, I used to be one of those un-enlightened but that was 38 years ago when we didn’t have the internet and YouTube so I never learned about it till I started riding again after a decades long absence from riding. I’m just grateful that way back then I never found myself needing to do a collision avoidance. Otherwise it may have been me hitting that firetruck.
 
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