foot-peg to seat height

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Discoveror

Discussion Starter · 24 d ago

Would someone measure and report the G310GS foot-peg to seat height (i.e. to the standard stock seat)?

Thanks - so much - for taking a moment for this, which will tell me a LOT.

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Tjocountry87

· #21 · 21 d ago

18.5

Discoveror said:
My concern is standing from a >90* knee-bend. Try standing from a >90* squat!

... without pulling on the handlebars (and risking a 'whiskey throttle'.) ... and being able to reach DOWN to the handlebar grips ... from a 35" inseam with 35" sleeves. 6'2" over most bikes leaves me hunching over.

18.5 vs. 20.75 inches; which is it? That's quite a difference! Are you measuring from looking straight horizontally from the ruler across to the seat?

I'm measuring straight up with the tape from the peg and looking across and back to center of seat. I measure metal all day for a living and feal this measurement is accurate. I'm 6'1.5" and the ride is comfortable enough for me. I do believe the angle is better on GS than the r. I do have to say that when standing up my fingertips barely get to curl around the grips. I have to lean over a bit to off road ride in standing position comfortably. For my long legs there isn't quite a ninety degree angle which I hate but have to make do

Discoveror

Discussion Starter · #22 · 21 d ago

Tjocountry87 said:
18.5 ... I measure metal all day for a living and feel this measurement is accurate.

Thanks so much - for the double-check, Tjocountry87. ` makes sense, I guess ... though a bit disappointing.

elau180

· #23 · 20 d ago

@Discoveror Oh, the G310gs vs the G310r has 19" front wheel, the G310r has 17" front wheel. So that will help with ground clearance. And that's pretty standard for Dual-Sport ADV/Off-road capable MC, where the front wheel is larger than the rear wheel.

TZ1

· #24 · 20 d ago

Discoveror said:
GOOD question. Since I don't have one, I'll need you to measure yours! 😀

From what I've learned, the oft quoted handlebar risers (usually) bring the handlebars BACK toward the rider (closing up the 'cockpit'), due to the forks rake. Alternatively, adjustable lower foot-pegs increase the peg-to-seat height.

Since so many seem to like standing over a T7 (Yamaha Tenere 700), I'd love to learn what the peg-to-seat height is on a T7.

Yup. 30mm risers plus the 'Adventure Bend' handlebars.
If you stay with the bike, those will do you fine.

Need a tall bike ? KTM 690, Hus (701), Yamaha T7, KTM 890R.

Discoveror

Discussion Starter · #25 · 20 d ago

TZ1 said:
Need a tall bike ? KTM 690, Hus (701), Yamaha T7, KTM 890R.

What I'd really like is one for paved and unpaved roads that's 300 - 400 cc and under 400 pounds.

TZ1

· #26 · 20 d ago

Yup. People prayed for Yamaha to upgrade the WR250R to a WR350R.
They would have OWNED that market.
But nothing happened.

Closest thing to what you wanted was a Suzuki DR400. But they had a 5 speed transmission... and bad Stators.
Oh well.

Discoveror

Discussion Starter · #27 · 20 d ago

I guess I've described my 'unicorn' ... which I think that manufacturers DON'T want to produce - because it would canibalize their up-market sales? I don't think for a second that such unicorns haven't occurred to them i.e. they know what the public really wants, but they don't want to produce it.

elau180

· #28 · 20 d ago

This is the closest in terms of weight: Data & Equipment | 2023 F 750 GS

But not much out there.

TZ1

· #29 · 20 d ago

Discoveror said:
I guess I've described my 'unicorn' ... which I think that manufacturers DON'T want to produce - because it would canibalize their up-market sales? I don't think for a second that such unicorns haven't occurred to them i.e. they know what the public really wants, but they don't want to produce it.

Dunno. Teams of accountants are running those companies.

Closest thing is the Honda CB500X... and that is just a gussied up street bike.
Same thing with the KTM390 Adventure... and actually the BMW 310GS.
Both gussied up street bikes.

Latest CB500X model is pretty nice though (has double disks, upside down forks).
'Poor mans adventure bike'.

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TZ1

· #30 · 20 d ago

elau180 said:
This is the closest in terms of weight: Data & Equipment | 2023 F 750 GS

But not much out there.

'Mid range' DS/Adventure bikes I've had.

Had that one (BMW 700 earlier model). Not bad, but kind of an overall disappointment.
Rear shock mount failures, and a bit hard to service (yup, screws and tupperware). Bit heavy too.
KTM 690. Tall, ungainly seat, ungainly airbox, mis-designed kickstand, was a vibrator, and way undersized gas tank. It was a beast on back roads though !
BMW F650 Dakar. Tall with the weight way up top. Hard to service, screws and tupperware. Front fork lower leg failures. Otherwise, a nice bike, had gold fork kits in mine !
Suzuki DR350 (Dirt with added on street lighting). Only Kick Start. Nice bike... but the transmission was geared for motocross.
6 speeds, but was geared very close together. Bad for distances. (Bummer, cause it was a pretty good DS bike).
KTM 500exc. Nice dirt bike. Yup it is a Vibrator ! Added clutch weights that smoothed it out a bit. But anything over 100 miles on street is a nuisance.
KTM 390A. Re worked Duke street bike. Suspension barely adequate for dirt. Nice engine. Rotten Indian fasteners on the bike. Weird oil change. Odd exhaust. Odd seat. Poor ground clearance.
BMW 310gs. I call it 'the bike that could have been'. Bad foot brake lever, bad clutch/brake switches. Pain to change air cleaner. Weak fork dampening. Early models had lots of problems... it was amazing that BMW would have produced them. Otherwise... nice handling bike, nice frame geometry, nice ground clearance, nice fasteners and fittings.
Willing engine for it's size. Had a lot going for it.

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elau180

· #31 · 20 d ago

I don't think there is much market for the unicorn. Most buyers especially in US and Canada want BIG 1200+ MC. The 800-900 are considered middle weight.

The G310 is excellent in ROW(Rest of World) because they have engine size restrictions for licensing and insurance. The US and Canada does not have such a restriction and therefore there is no interest in selling the middle weight bikes. As well the average physical size person outside of NA finds the G310R/GS to be well suited for their use. I am that average size person and find the G310R/GS to be excellent. It's the only BMW that I can ride without getting a lowered suspension or lowered seat. All the other BMW's require me to get lowered seats and/or lowered suspension.

I think your just going to have to deal with the extra weight, ie 500lbs or less to get the larger frame/bike to accommodate your physical requirements. I consider anything lighter/smaller than my R1200RT to be a light motorcycle and it comes in at 570lbs! I am considering downsizing at some point to something sub 500lbs, maybe a BMW F900XR?

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elau180

· #32 · 20 d ago

@TZ1, Nothing is perfect, one just needs to find something that get's close and make mods, and who does not what to mod, to get what yjru purchased even closer. My R1200RT, I had to spend $$$ for new front and passenger seat because I needed a lower driver's seat. Spent $$ on accessory rack over the dash to mount my cell phone and GPS. Side stand? Piece of junk, did not come with a tang and large enough foot. Several times I missed the side stand while trying to put it down. Bought a foot enlarger with tang for me to pull the side stand down. I dropped it once because I thought the side stand was down without the tang. Why BMW?

I love the fact that BMW uses screwed on panels for everything, I used to own a Suzuki and absolutely hated the push pins panels, kept on losing and or breaking the pins. Also the panels started cracking as they just never fit with the same precision as BMW panels. They also cracked because you had to pull on them to get them off even after you have removed the push pins!!!!

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elau180

· #33 · 18 d ago

@Discoveror This thread may interest you: https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?97118-310GS-for-taller-riders

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Discoveror

Discussion Starter · #34 · 18 d ago

elau180 said:
@Discoveror This thread may interest you: https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?97118-310GS-for-taller-riders

Thanks, elau180. `looks like, if you're not 5'5", 150 pounds with a 28" inseam, you have to "roll yer own" i.e. build it yourself.

elau180

· #35 · 18 d ago

Yup, don't forget the G310r/gs was originally introduced in India and built there. Huge following and market there. When I search on YouTube for videos most are from owners there.

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Discoveror

Discussion Starter · #36 · 18 d ago

elau180 said:
Yup, don't forget the G310r/gs was originally introduced in India and built there. Huge following and market there. When I search on YouTube for videos most are from owners there.

Yup ... and I'd bet the average Japanese (Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha) stature is similar. So, ...
jockeys fit horses ... and motorcycles ? 😀

elau180

· #37 · 18 d ago

Discoveror said:
Yup ... and I'd bet the average Japanese (Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha) stature is similar. So, ...
jockeys fit horses ... and motorcycles ? 😀

LOL, The G310 is the only BMW other than their Scooter and Cruisers, that in stock form my 30" inseam fits. I looked at all their F, R, etc... and in stock form seat height is 32" and/or higher. The G310GS due to it's larger front wheel has a higher seat height.

Discoveror

Discussion Starter · #38 · 18 d ago

elau180 said:
LOL, The G310 is the only BMW other than their Scooter and Cruisers, that in stock form my 30" inseam fits. I looked at all their F, R, etc... and in stock form seat height is 32" and/or higher. The G310GS due to it's larger front wheel has a higher seat height.

I'm thinkin' that the oft-quoted seat height is not my issue; even a tall seat height can have a compressed >90* knee-angle - due to rearward foot-peg placement. Maybe that why cruisers have FORWARD pegs? ... less knee-angle.

elau180

· #39 · 18 d ago

Discoveror said:
I'm thinkin' that the oft-quoted seat height is not my issue; even a tall seat height can have a compressed >90* knee-angle - due to rearward foot-peg placement. Maybe that why cruisers have FORWARD pegs? ... less knee-angle.

Well cruisers are in my mind odd-ball. Seat height is low, ie less than 30". But that also limits where you can place your feet/floor boards without losing lean angle. So they compensate by moving feet/floor boards further forward.

If you did not move the feet/floor board forward, you would not have much if any lean angle.

I used to ride a Suzuki Burgman 400 Scooter. This had a cruiser style seating. low seat ie 28". I sat with my legs and feet out in front like a cruiser, but my feet were higher than a cruiser and that increased lean angle, mind you I did one time find out what the maximum lean angle was

, but it was still better than cruiser floor board lean angle.

I disliked the seating position/cockpit feel as I found my elbows, hands etc....just too close and sharp turns were just not comfortable or natural. I had to rotate my hands on the handle bar to make a work, so you can imagine that messed up my throttle hand!.

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Discussion Starter · #40 · 18 d ago

elau180 said:
Well cruisers are in my mind odd-ball. Seat height is low, ie less than 30". But that also limits where you can place your feet/floor boards without losing lean angle. So they compensate by moving feet/floor boards further forward.

If you did not move the feet/floor board forward, you would not have much if any lean angle.

I used to ride a Suzuki Burgman 400 Scooter. This had a cruiser style seating. low seat ie 28". I sat with my legs and feet out in front like a cruiser, but my feet were higher than a cruiser and that increased lean angle, mind you I did one time find out what the maximum lean angle was , but it was still better than cruiser floor board lean angle.

I disliked the seating position/cockpit feel as I found my elbows, hands etc....just too close and sharp turns were just not comfortable or natural. I had to rotate my hands on the handle bar to make a work, so you can imagine that messed up my throttle hand!.

I thought that cruisers could save weight by eliminating handlebars since cruisers never turn ?

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