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Nice video and spectacular countryside. I'm not a off road rider (intentionally at least) meaning I'd be a whimpering pile of broken bones laying along the side of the trail but I do like the video. It sure surprises me that after 55 views you had no comments or responses. I find that curious. It's unlike the other motorcycle forums I'm a part of.
 

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It sure surprises me that after 55 views you had no comments or responses. I find that curious. It's unlike the other motorcycle forums I'm a part of.
maybe it is because the bike shown is not the same most of us ride. this, really well made, video shows a GS equipped with ~3000 euros of equipment which means is a totally different bike. i am sorry but i cannot relate with a different bike than the one i ride.and no, a stock GS is not dirt capable (unfortunately).it's a great bike BUT:
a)it's (front) heavy
b)it has not enough torque, especially at low revs
c)it has road tires (ok, with SOME off road capabilities, maybe 70/30)

in my opinion, the GS is a small adventure bike (maybe the only adventure bike at that engine capacity), ideal for sub 100km/h trips on paved or dirt ROADS, not rough trails, mud or sand.

P.S. don't get me wrong, the guys at Rally raid, did a very nice job and created a good dirt bike setup with parts of very high quality, i am not trying to accuse anyone.
 

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a)it's (front) heavy
b)it has not enough torque, especially at low revs
c)it has road tires (ok, with SOME off road capabilities, maybe 70/30)

in my opinion, the GS is a small adventure bike (maybe the only adventure bike at that engine capacity), ideal for sub 100km/h trips on paved or dirt ROADS, not rough trails, mud or sand.

Well, coming from a (heavy) Ténéré, I just feel the oposite !
a) it's light
b) it has enough torque for this size and weight (and for my personal use)

c) tires are not really specific to the GS, il you plan to drive offroad a lot, you just swap them !


In fact, and even without changing the costly wheels, I feel it's a real and versatile 50/50 bike, much more manageable than a mid or high end adv bike (and much less costly)


Regarding the gorgeous Moab video, it is quite commented and liked on the advrider forum:wink2:
 

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Awesome video/pictures and its great to see the 310 showing how capable it is in the wild. Though I don't think it would attempt to try and make it through the desert or canyons on it. Were these models being run completely stock?
 

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Howdy all - in reply to some of the above comments - GreekGeek makes some good observations about the stock bike's limitations - but I'd add that this is still designed to be an Adventure bike, not a dirt-bike per se - and having ridden in 6000 miles across the country from Virginia to California and back to Moab (via Overland Expo in Arizona) prior to making that video - ultimately it is a surprisingly capable lighter-weight ADV bike, that can handle some far more technical terrain than you would choose or attempted on a physically larger and heavier machine - and made even easier with a few modifications/upgrades and accessories.

I'm currently running a blog/ride report regarding this extended trip on ADVrider, which I will ultimately condense and post here in the ride-reports section G310Rforum.com too in due course too - but in the meantime it's probably worth checking in there if you want some more detailed information as to have I've found living with this bike for the last 6000 miles on and off-road has been.

As I say, yes I've upgraded the stock suspension (which is budget/weak) with the Rally-Raid LEVEL 1 components, which clearly makes the bike handle much better in the conditions in the video above, but the engine and transmission is still completely stock (and I consider I've pretty much found the limitation/s with the stock gearing in more technical terrain now)...

The spoked wheels are going to be stronger than the cast OEM components in a really clumsy moment of course, but as with all the Rally-Raid parts for this bike, they are designed to be sold and fitted individually as your budget and or/requirements dictate.

Ultimately, as Dejah suggests, this bike on the right tyres (and a proper engine guard of course ;o) is going to be able to tackle all the terrain in this video - maybe with not so much aplomb in places, but you'd be able to get it through if you're careful. So often the internet forgets that the bike [in] itself is only ever part of the equation...

Jenny x
 

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first of all, thank you Dejah and Jenny for your input. i am not trying to be the smartass here, i just want to point out some key features of the bike that I find irritating (according to MY opinion and needs). as you guys mentioned earlier, heavier/bigger ADV bikes can be less versatile than the little GS. BUT, the bike's weight is only one part of the equation, the other two are horsepower and tires (dimensions and tread).
so,if one takes a look at "classic" ADV bikes like:
a) Honda Africa twin 1988-89 (XRV 650):220 Kg, 57 Hp (0.25 Hp/Kg), tyres: 90/90-21 front, 130/80-17 rear
b) Honda Transalp 2005-6 (XL 650 V): 210 Kg, 55 Hp (0.26 Hp/Kg), tyres: 90/90-21 front, 120/90-17 rear
c) Yamaha Tenere 2008-9 (XT 660): 206 Kg, 48 Hp (0.23 Hp/Kg), tyres: 90/90-21 front, 130/80-17 rear
or Enduro bikes like:
Honda XR 400R : 125 Kg, 34 Hp (0.27 Hp/Kg), tyres: 80/100-21 front, 110/100-18 rear
and compares them with the G310 GS: 170 Kg, 34 Hp (0,2 Hp/Kg), tyres: 110/80-19 front, 150/70-17 rear
can easily understand that the BMW is a bit under powered, as well as fitted with wider tyres (whose use is to provide more traction on the street and make your life more difficult off the street).
enough with my nagging about how hard is the BMW life. what I plan to do is:
a)fit an akrapovic carbon exhaust (and thus gain 2,4 Hp at the low end and save a few kilos)
b)change the sprocket with a bigger one (maybe 42 or 43 teeth) preferably an aluminum one
c)fit an X-ring chain
d) change the stock tyres with something more dirt capable (i really like the Michelin Anakee Wild)

that's all folks, thanks a lot for listening!
 

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Greekgeek,
Well that's all interesting data, but you forgot the pricing.
Not to bash Rally Raid, as they have an excellent track record for quality aftermarket components.
But, with all the proper upgrading of the 310 to make it a more worthy off-road machine, it can get quite pricey.
So what I am trying to convey is, if you wanted a truly off-road capable machine, why not get one designed
that way from the factory?
Kind of like the owners of cruisers trying to make them faster with various modifications, they are built to be cruisers,
not road rockets.
I am having some small regrets in not taking a better look at the BMW 700GS. Next to my 310GS on the showroom floor
it was priced $3500 more. Not much heavier, seat height was a bit lower, more than twice the horsepower, and a "proven"
reliability record. Heated grips and seat were included along with a few other upgrades. But, hindsight is a wonderful
thing.
Just saying.
 

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Greekgeek,
So what I am trying to convey is, if you wanted a truly off-road capable machine, why not get one designed
that way from the factory?
well, i think that modifying a bike to suit one's needs is a very rewarding (and nerve wrecking) process..the truth is that i fell in love with this bike from the first time i saw her.

P.S. a wise man once said that hindsight is like having a comb once you are bald (sounds better in Greek, but you get the point..)

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well, i think that modifying a bike to suit one's needs is a very rewarding (and nerve wrecking) process..the truth is that i fell in love with this bike from the first time i saw her.

P.S. a wise man once said that hindsight is like having a comb once you are bald (sounds better in Greek, but you get the point..)

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Ditto on the falling in love point.
But, I should have maybe used my head more than my heart.
Much like my first marriage. :grin2:
 

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So what I am trying to convey is, if you wanted a truly off-road capable machine, why not get one designed
that way from the factory?
Hi Tickster - I agree to point, but the purpose of an 'adventure' bike is to not bee too focused on any one element - certainly I can't think of any other small capacity single cylinder bike that is as nice as this to ride on the highway (for example I've ridden two 650 mile back-to-back days, plus another day 750 miles straight through), and can also be ridden with such confidence over the more technical trails in Moab for example?

All 'adventure' bikes are a compromise to a certain degree, but the idea of improving the weaker elements of one machine [over another] is to make it better than it was before, and hopefully closer to the ideal compromise for the kind of riding you want to do.



I am having some small regrets in not taking a better look at the BMW 700GS. Next to my 310GS on the showroom floor
it was priced $3500 more. Not much heavier, seat height was a bit lower, more than twice the horsepower, and a "proven"
reliability record. Heated grips and seat were included along with a few other upgrades. But, hindsight is a wonderful
thing.
Just saying.
Having ridden both machines in question, there is no doubt that the 700GS is a very [and much more than the 310] comfortable machine on the open highway, and perfectly capable as a dirt-road adv bike too.

However, the 310 would eat the 700 alive the moment things get more technical and rocky off-road... the 700GS is long, low and top heavy in comparison, and has an even worse [too high] first gear than the 310 does.

As I suggest above, depending on your priorities, there really ought to be the right base bike out there for everyone already - just consider it is almost inevitable that it's going to require a little further customisation to make it exactly what YOU want.

Jx
 

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Well said Jenny, and with your experience on the two bikes in mention, plus
the numerous variations of terrain you have ridden, I take your word.
I don't see myself riding technical single track at my age anymore
(the healing time and my pain threshold aren't what the were, lol).
So I am just thinking the 700 might have been more suitable for my current riding style.
Having said all this, for the money, the 310 really is a lot of fun.
Cheers

Rick
 

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for example I've ridden two 650 mile back-to-back days, plus another day 750 miles straight through


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what kind of tyres you fitted on your bike? do you reckon that a bit smaller (instead of 150 rear, a 140 let's say) would give any benefits while dirt riding? did you also change the final transmission gearing?
also i would like to ask you if the spoked wheels are lighter than the stock wheels.
cheers!
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what kind of tyres you fitted on your bike? do you reckon that a bit smaller (instead of 150 rear, a 140 let's say) would give any benefits while dirt riding? did you also change the final transmission gearing?
also i would like to ask you if the spoked wheels are lighter than the stock wheels.
cheers!
Hi Greek' - I run Continental TKC80s on all my ADV bikes, as I like that brand specifically for it's combination of good on-road handling together with proper traction off-road.

I certainly do think that on the G310GS a 140/80x17 size of knobbly tyre would be/is a better option than the 150/70x17 the bike comes with as standard - however, be aware that the Rally-Raid spoked wheels I have fitted to my bike have a 3.50" rear rim, while the stock cast wheel is a 4.00".

You can still mount the slightly narrower tyre to the 4.00" rim, and similarly the 150 width tyre fits on the Rally-Raid wheels just fine too (it's the size they use on the CB500X wheels too), but optimally a 140 tyre sits best on the 3.5" rim - which is now the tyre size Rally-Raid recommend/sell for their spoked wheels on both the G310GS and CB500X.

note. The 140 is not hugely lighter than the 150, but on the 34hp GS particularly, once you fit a knobbly 150 to the rear, it needs all the help it can get!

My bike currently has the stock gearing on it. When the time comes, I will probably look at adding a couple of teeth to the rear so that the slow speed pick up in first gear is a little better than it is currently. (note. while it's usually cheaper to take a tooth of the front of course, I don't generally like to run a chain around a tighter/smaller front sprocket - especially on a bike that will be used a lot at higher highway speeds).

It's been mentioned on the dedicated threads discussing the Rally-Raid wheels and other upgrades (together with the various videos on YouTube etc.) how the the upgraded wheel and suspension package is effectively 'weight neutral', in that it doesn't add any overall weight compared to the standard specification.

Specifically: The front RR wheel is 0.85Kg lighter than the OEM wheel, but the rear RR wheel is 2Kg heavier (due to the larger billet hub designed to take the OEM cast cush-drive of course), which means the wheels as a pair are 1.15Kg heavier than the cast OEM ones.

However, the rear RR shock is 1.4Kg lighter than the OEM component (the fork parts are pretty much like for like) so once you also fit the front and rear suspension kit too, the bike is the same weight, or technically a few hundred grammes lighter than it was originally.

for info. the Scorpion exhaust I have fitted to my bike is 2.6Kg lighter than the OEM system, plus deleting the rear rack and fender saves a good couple of Kgs too - which in turn allows you to add an engine guard and hand-guards etc without adding any appreciable extra weight.

Ultimately though, while the internet loves to get hung up on the weight of motorcycles and accessories, it's really all about speccing the bike the way you want it, for the kind of riding you plan to do.

Hope that helps!

Jenny x
 

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Ultimately though, while the internet loves to get hung up on the weight of motorcycles and accessories, it's really all about speccing the bike the way you want it, for the kind of riding you plan to do.

Hope that helps!

Jenny x
couldn't agree more with you, many thanks for your insight
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Following on from that original ‘teaser’ video, here is a more detailed look at the Rally-Raid LEVEL 1 G310GS Adventure kit (with a few personal touches), from Juan Browne and your resident Gas-Bag:


Jx
 

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Awesome video! Can’t wait to get some Rally Raid upgrades but for now stock is gonna have to do. Connected some trails today behind my house to cross the Dolores and link up Koko and the White Rim. This stock GS is doing fine in the dirt for this new rider although needing to put some different tires on! Nothing technical yet but looking forward to it🤙🏽
 

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