BMW Motorrad presents the BMW Concept F 450 GS.
Concept of an accessible and off-road capable BMW GS for the 48 hp mid-range class.
BMW Announced Concept F450GS Near-Production-Ready 386-lbs
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Hi Jerry,At the moment, I'm split between the KTM 390 Adv R and the F450GS, but regardless of which I buy, I plan to keep my 310GS as backup. I missed out on part of my Mexico trip thanks to a second ignition coil failure; if I had had a backup bike, that wouldn't have happened.
P.S. My first ignition coil failure was at ~10,000 miles; it bench tested as good but the bike would not run until they swapped in a known good one. My second ignition failure occurred at 32,000 miles. The metal cylinder that clips to the top of the spark plug was missing; it probably broke off from metal fatigue and was lost when we were doing road side diagnostics 3-1/2 hours into Mexico. I now carry a spare ignition coil on long trips; you can get them from a US dealer for $220 or shipped to your door from Europe for ~$160 (link below).
Ignition coil/spark plug
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Best guess on when the 450 will be available in the US.
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...the BMW F450GS project manager says "in 25, you can ride it", but that might mean the press intro ride event rather than showroom availability. That said, the two are not usually that far apart.
If I had to guess...
Best case would be Spring 2025; worst case would be Spring 2026. I suspect they are pushing for as early as possible or they will lose lots of sales to the new KTM 390 Adv R.
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ThanksIn this clip...
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...the BMW F450GS project manager says "in 25, you can ride it", but that might mean the press intro ride event rather than showroom availability. That said, the two are not usually that far apart.
If I had to guess...
Best case would be Spring 2025; worst case would be Spring 2026. I suspect they are pushing for as early as possible or they will lose lots of sales to the new KTM 390 Adv R.
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Honestly guys, this looks EXACTLY what (I think) we have all been asking about. It looks super dang cool and yes, even though the price will have to be more, this looks like an incredible update to the 310GS.
My hopes and dreams are :
That's it.....I will certainly upgrade if at least some of these conditions are met..I want something new to play with.
My hopes and dreams are :
- No more engine vibrations on the highway that literally crack my bones.
- Higher top speed (again, with no vibrations). I can legally cruise here on the main highways at 140-150. Impossible to do on the 310GS without going insane (plus the single isn't really designed for this). If I could go 150 comfy, I would be in heaven.
- 5mm shorter side stand. The 310 side stand is still giving me "the jimmies"....I always think the bike will just fall over.
- Android dash thing (or Apple) with some Bluetooth connectivity for music/ANC.
- AND AND AND.....please please..CRUISE CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <<<<<<<<<<----------------
- Heated grips cost about $20 to add....so please BMW, just add them at the factory, they are really a lifesaver.
That's it.....I will certainly upgrade if at least some of these conditions are met..I want something new to play with.
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Do you think the 310GS will continue on once the 450 is out? I don't think so. I have a funny feeling it will be either discontinued or maybe they will make some type of a small electric thing.
Speculating, of course...I adore my 310!!!
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I think it will be continued and get a refresh. It is BMW's only world-wide bike: It can be sold anywhere. The rest, including the 450GS, are too big for some markets and/or license categories. If it doesn't get a refresh, it won't be able to compete.
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The 450 is the upgrade to 310. Sales of 310 were lackluster at best in North America and mostly to bargain hunters and small bike enthusiasts. If sales to other markets were profitable it will continue on in present form, but there’s fierce competition in this arena especially as electric bikes come on strong in other markets. id strongly suspect far more amazing prospects are just around the corner as manufacturers realize there is a market for the 450 segment in North America. Be nice to see more in the sub 300lb range. There could be interesting developments in marketing if a major manufacturer Country gets tariffed out of the picture.
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Will the release of the 450 have an effect on the price of the 310 either new or the second hand market?
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Depends on what you mean by upgrade:
They're completely different bikes. Both will continue; one for Class 1 license holders and one for Class 2 license holders. He alludes to this in the video. That's adding another class, not upgrading.
However, since the US does not have license classes, BMW NA will import whatever they think will sell, i.e., they might replace the 310 with the 450 in NA market.
There will be some who switch to the 450; that should reduce demand for the 310; that should reduce the price of used 310s. BMW rarely lowers the prices of new bikes, though they do offer rebates for slower selling models as the season wanes.
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The used market is already full of low mileage, prepped 310 yet price still not at bottom, same story with many motos. Pricing has changed, just like autos. The quality across the board of modern manufacturing is amazing. Even at bargain prices, one see’s decent bikes sit for months “for sale“ as it is easier, smarter to get the latest in technology, if not economical. The lack of sales of the 310 in NA pretty much ensures it’s not coming here much will depend on sales in its original target area. If it continues to sell well it will be made. But if there is a strong market, one can be assured the Asian manufacturing powerhouses will produce a less expensive unit. Quality of Asian stuff having become quite good evidenced by most traditional makers moving to Asian production. It’s an awesome Time to own a motorbike.
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I was looking at the second hand market here in Ireland and as you say some decent spec bikes are holding their price but sitting a while on sale even with loads of extras thrown in. Personally I was waiting till the new year to upgrade my suspension for my trip abroad but now I'm in two minds and think I'll wait till spring and see what spec of 450 they release and go from there. I'm really fond of my 310 also but km after km chugging away would I prefer on a single cylinder or the twin? Decisions Decisions and spoilt for choice. I think it's a good time to be a consumer.
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Finally, it seems that the unicorn bikes are coming. I'd gladly pay a premium price to get an under 400 lb, 44 -48 Hp bike, with upgraded suspension, and spoked wheels. The 390 Adventure R looks great, but if Aprilla delivers a Tuareg 457 that might have my name on it. I will keep the 310 and see whether it makes sense to export it to Germany where I have a house and would love to have a TET bike. So excited....
All that said, it might make sense to wait a year or two till the verdict in on which bike is the best and what issues need to be sorted in the first year editions.
All that said, it might make sense to wait a year or two till the verdict in on which bike is the best and what issues need to be sorted in the first year editions.
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I don't think the G310GS is in any danger of not being produced. It sells over 24,000 units per year & compared to other BMW Motorrad offerings, only "R" & "F" series bikes achieve more. BMW leans heavily on its "GS" branding.
Given 7-8,000 units a year in India alone, we probably overestimate the importance of North American sales, which for the G310GS are likely very limited (& always were irrelevant) regarding the G310GS.
It was neither designed or built for the North American market. I'm sure BMW has enjoyed the higher margins achievable from selling it here however.
The future of motorcycling belongs in nations that use motorcycles for transport (not weekend toys). Toys don't sell in sufficiently competitive quantities.
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Hi guys, the 450GS is announced for 2025 on the european market - the prototype looks like a real finished bike.
On the european market, I've no doubt it will completely replace the G310GS as competition (new Royal Enfield Himalayan 450, Voge 525 DS, possibly a Kawasaki 500 Versys based on the new naked Z500 ...) is clearly too high for a 310 mono and the 2 bikes would share the same segment.
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On the european market, I've no doubt it will completely replace the G310GS as competition (new Royal Enfield Himalayan 450, Voge 525 DS, possibly a Kawasaki 500 Versys based on the new naked Z500 ...) is clearly too high for a 310 mono and the 2 bikes would share the same segment.
Découverte des nouveautés BMW 2025 à l'EICMA de Milan
BMW dévoile au salon Eicma de Milan (Italie) une toute nouvelle moto : la F450GS qui débarquera - très - prochainement dans ses concessions. Le futur petit trail est accompagné sur le stand de la marque allemande de la nouvelle gamme de 4-cylindres S/M (R RR rrrrr) et la R1300GS Adventure tout...
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